hello list, here is a second go on the ring modulators. 1. first i made a comparison between a114 and a133 polarizer. to my surprise the a133 polarizer can be adjusted to sound almost exactly like an a114. listen to the following example, first you hear an a114 and then an a133. can you name the difference? http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a114-a133-compare.mp3 file size: 159 kb 2. then i used a prepared stereo file instead of the vco's, brought into the system with two a119. the left channel (x input) is a tr808, the right channel (y input) is a sustained note from a korg z1. here is the file, so you can try this at home too. http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/sources-cut.mp3 file size: 139 kb this source is presented to the modules in the following order: 1. a114 original 2. a114 tim's mod (c1 shorted) 3. a114 peter's mod (c2 shorted) 4. blacet klangwerk 5. cgs real ring modulator (inputs buffered with two mx224) 6. a133 http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/ringmods-sequence2.mp3 file size: 411 kb 3. the same source used with a clavia nord micro modular. two cycles this time. http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/nord-ringmod.mp3 file size: 139 kb 4. same as above, but with a simple reaktor 5 patch instead. http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/reaktor-ringmod.mp3 file size: 139 kb please don't judge the loudness differences between analogue and digital ring modulation, i had to re-adjust the recording level on examples 3 and 4. best wishes ingo